Thread: Patton $ Online

A discussion about what your dollars get you.

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His 2018 value in the Excel spreadsheet (and in the program) is wrong. Hader earned $27 last year in 4x4, $22 in 5x5. 

Thanks for pointing that out. I don't know how widespread this problem is, but I'll check it out. You can always get the correct past earnings here at 

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Feb 22 '19

The spreadsheet has just Rotoman's projections for 2019.

Alex Patton Alex
Feb 22 '19

Trying to make sense of the values assisgned to a player by years.  Hader currently has a Patton $ projected for 2019 of 19.  His 2018 value in the excel spreadsheet is 9 with virtually the same stats.  How can that be?

Hugh Kierig Oklapokes17
Feb 22 '19

Peter has posted the new program in Subscriber Downloads. If you don't mind seeing his projections calculated in the 2017 formulas, which change the values only slightly from the 2018 formulas, my recommendation is you wait until next Thursday, Feb. 28, which is when we will post the first update.

Here's the schedule:

  • Feb 28 (CBS prices)
  • March 7
  • March 14  (LABR prices)
  • March 21 (Tout Wars prices)
  • March 28
  • April 4 (final official PK5, MF5 and AP4)
Alex Patton Alex
Feb 22 '19

When you click on List, you aren't seeing Information Choices just below Player Filter? If you click on that, you'll get a page that lets you customize the information that you to have displayed when you're back in List.

Eric (who program's the software -- Colin programs this web site) has corrected the formulas in the Projector so they match the ones in the Evaluator. Peter (whose job among many is to post the software and text/Excel files in the subscriber area) will be posting the corrected software later today.

The values of his projections in the 4x4 and 5x5 formulas (my contribution) are not much changed, because the overall hitting context last year wasn't much different from the year before, despite the drop in batting average in both leagues.

Each year the Projector uses the same formulas that are in the Evaluator (or is supposed to); we don't try to predict changes in the overall hitting context from year to year.

A case can be made, and is made in one of the player threads (Jean Segura), that batting average will go down further this year. I hope it doesn't, not as someone who figures out formulas; as someone who likes seeing the ball put in play.

Alex Patton Alex
Feb 22 '19

Alex and Peter

Thanks for the answers.

On the STATS page, I was able to change the settings so that the values for PK5, MF5 and AP4 are visible.

Alex wrote: Click on List/Information Choices and check PK5, MF5 and AP4 under Rotisserie Info.

I see Lists on the comments page but I have no idea where to find information choices.


Joe Wrobel Chepelully
Feb 22 '19

Thanks, Alex!

Scott Shea SJS
Feb 19 '19

There is.

In Options/Formula...

1) check Custom Denominators

2) change BA1 from 1430 to 1397

3) change BA3 from .260 to .254

4) click on OK

This changes the value of Rotoman's projection for Sanchez from $17 to $18.

A small difference. But you have uncovered a big mistake: we are still using the 2017 EVA formulas to calculate the values in the Projector; we should be using the 2018 EVA formulas.

It was hard to see, since the overall hitting contexts both years were similar. Neverheless, we won't wait until March 1 to fix this. I will post here as soon as we have.

Alex Patton Alex
Feb 18 '19

Is there any way to change it myself for the players I've already projected? Maybe under Formulas/Options/Hitting Denominators? 

Scott Shea SJS
Feb 18 '19

Ouch. It should be .254, and is in the Evaluator.

The formulas in the Projector are always the same as the previous season -- it's hard enough to predict what a player is going to do, much less an entire league.

Good catch, Scott. That's a serious error that will be corrected in the first update.

We think March 1 is a good time for the first update, since by then we will have some actual spring training games to go by. The next will be March 15. After that each Friday until April 5, which will be our last.

Alex Patton Alex
Feb 18 '19