Zack Greinke Houston Astros

Age: 37 (October 21, 1983) | 6' 2" | 200lbs. | Throws: Right P-33 PH-1
Tm Lg YEAR W L SV Hld G GS IP H HR BB SO ERA WHIP Rating BB/9 SO/9 BABIP G/L/F % $4x4 $5x5
ARI NL 2017 17 7 0 0 32 32 202.0 172 25 45 215 3.21 1.07 1.15 2.0 9.6 .293 47/18/35 31 29
ARI NL 2018 15 11 0 0 33 33 207.1 181 28 43 199 3.21 1.08 1.18 1.9 8.6 .284 45/23/32 25 24
HOU AL 2019 8 1 0 0 10 10 62.2 58 6 9 52 3.02 1.07 1.14 1.3 7.5 .294 52/19/29 14 11
ARI NL 2019 10 4 0 0 23 23 146.0 117 15 21 135 2.90 0.95 1.03 1.3 8.3 .269 42/23/35 26 23
HOU AL 2020 3 3 0 0 12 12 67.0 67 6 9 67 4.03 1.13 1.20 1.2 9.0 .333 41/25/34 14 17
HOU AL 2021 1 0 0 0 2 2 13.0 8 1 1 8 1.38 0.69 0.77 0.7 5.5 .196 36/17/47 4 3
Career 18yrs 209 126 1 0 502 461 2949.1 2736 299 677 2697 3.36 1.16 1.19 2.1 8.2 .302 n/a
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The final 2013 bid limits that were posted for this player:
PK 5x5: $21 MF 5x5: $20 AP 4x4: $22
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 15 '13
The combination of walk rate up, ld% up, and gb% down would bother me.
van wilhoite LVW
Jul 6 '13
So, any theories on what is wrong with Greinke? This doesn't look to be luck related, as we have seen a significant drop in skills.

The obvious guess is a nagging injury of some kind, but I noticed something in his numbers when looking deeper.

He has basically abandoned his slider this year and replaced it with a cutter (and the results on the cutter have not been positive).

Is this a case of a guy messing around with something new, not realizing that it isn't working?

Or, is he trying something new out of necessity, possibly an elbow injury that makes throwing the slider difficult?

Anyone that follows the Dodgers hear anything?

paul schneider badgermania
Jul 6 '13
I'm reminded that Bill James did a survey of pitcher starts after a return from the DL, this was back in the early 80s by hand from the box scores in the Sporting News. He found that the first start back from the DL was usually better than a pitcher's skill, and the second game back was usually worse. The proof is in the Greinke.

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
May 22 '13
Just shaking my head. I decide to grab the best SP available, hang the price, and not an elbow, not a come backer, but Carlos Quentin. At least I took a screenshot of my team in second in PCL before it happened.
Noah Hirsch NSh58
Apr 12 '13
I'm in a by-the-book NL-only keeper/Ultra league that doesn't auction until tomorrow ... I'm thinking this doesn't drop his price by much ... maybe $5 at most ... 'cept now he's likely to go to a team that's more playing for next year ...
Howard Lynch LynchMob
Apr 12 '13
It will also be interesting to see what occurs when they meet again this coming Monday? The League office has probably already started typing the warning letter.
Tim McLeod tlmcleod
Apr 12 '13
Injury effectively costs LA $5-7 million.

Quentin's act isn't justfiable, but perhaps managers should consider the potential salary implications when they allow their superstar to retaliate (in this case, after a pitch thrown over Kemp's head). Greinke does have a history of hitting batters (and Quentin in particular), and retaliating (last year the Mets actually lifted Wright from a game after Braun had been hit so that Greinke wouldn't retaliate against him - and Greinke's post game comments “I don’t know what would have happened if [Wright] stayed in. They don’t want anyone important to get hurt, just like we don’t want someone important getting hurt” did nothing to erase the idea that he wouldn't have).

I can imagine that Quentin was walking to the plate already imagining that he was about to be hit ... and had it in his mind that he'd charge the mound if he was hit ... and a high fastball that tailed inside wasn't exactly something he could get out of the way on.

Will be interesting to see what kind of suspensions are handed out on this.
Phil Ponebshek Texpope
Apr 12 '13
Can't speak for other bidders in PCL, but I liked Zach and his elbow better for 32 than Haren and McCarthy for same price (athough there is something to be said about spreading risk). I had Harvey at 10 and Cahill at 11 and no other pitchers. If a bidding war I decided I'd rather go at it for the three pitchers I wanted (and paid for), Greinke, Soriano and Fuji.
Noah Hirsch NSh58
Apr 5 '13
Prices just paid for starters in PCL ...

Zack @ 32
Lincecum @ 17
Beckett @ 15
Haren @ 20
McCarthy @ 12
Shelby Miller @ 19
Halladay @ 20
Jaime Garcia @ 14
Wandy @ 14
Fiers @ 8
Ryu @ 16
Marcum @ 5
Billingsly @ 11
Arroyo @ 11
Jose Fernandez @ 13
Luebke @ 10

No other starters > 10.
Howard Lynch LynchMob
Apr 4 '13