Zack Greinke Houston Astros

Age: 37 (October 21, 1983) | 6' 2" | 200lbs. | Throws: Right P-33 PH-1
Tm Lg YEAR W L SV Hld G GS IP H HR BB SO ERA WHIP Rating BB/9 SO/9 BABIP G/L/F % $4x4 $5x5
ARI NL 2017 17 7 0 0 32 32 202.0 172 25 45 215 3.21 1.07 1.15 2.0 9.6 .293 47/18/35 31 29
ARI NL 2018 15 11 0 0 33 33 207.1 181 28 43 199 3.21 1.08 1.18 1.9 8.6 .284 45/23/32 25 24
HOU AL 2019 8 1 0 0 10 10 62.2 58 6 9 52 3.02 1.07 1.14 1.3 7.5 .294 52/19/29 14 11
ARI NL 2019 10 4 0 0 23 23 146.0 117 15 21 135 2.90 0.95 1.03 1.3 8.3 .269 42/23/35 26 23
HOU AL 2020 3 3 0 0 12 12 67.0 67 6 9 67 4.03 1.13 1.20 1.2 9.0 .333 41/25/34 14 17
HOU AL 2021 1 0 0 0 2 2 13.0 8 1 1 8 1.38 0.69 0.77 0.7 5.5 .196 36/17/47 4 3
Career 18yrs 209 126 1 0 502 461 2949.1 2736 299 677 2697 3.36 1.16 1.19 2.1 8.2 .302 n/a
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Any ideas on where he'll wind up? I know there are a bunch of guys performing over there heads (Cliff Lee et al). What thinks ye?
Tom Ryan toshiro
May 23 '08
You make it sound like there is something wrong with that, Mike.

Keith Cromer Slyke
Feb 18 '08
"I have had several discussions with friends about Greinke."

Most people discuss their careers, children, and current events with their friends. We discuss Zach Greinke.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Feb 18 '08
I like numbers, and they don't tell me too much at first glance. At second glance, however, they tell me Greinke could be a very good set-up man or closer. His OPS against in pitches 31-60 is somewhere in the neighborhood of .930. His OPS against in pitches 1-30 is somewhere in the neighborhood of .725. Last I checked, that is a big difference.

Oddly enough, the BA against for pitches 1-15 is .289, then drops to .240 for the next 15 pitches. The following 30 pitches, however, is where you find the problems...hitters light him up like a NY City Christmas tree.

This suggests a couple of things to me. One, Greinke needs to master another pitch. Two, Greinke suffers from mental fatigue as much as physical fatigue. Three, if he is warmed up properly with the proper mental makeup, he is a 1-2 inning pitcher who could easily earn $10-$15.

I can't agree with an $11 bid limit here, though, unless he's the closer, in which case you can tick him up a bit.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Jan 26 '08
I have had several discussions with friends about Greinke, and yes, I agree with Mike that his stuff is real. When he is on, like he was against the White Sox that day, he can be dominating and throw up an 8 scoreless inning, 2 hit, 10 K performance. However, he can't seem to harnass his stuff and throw up those gems on a consistent basis. In fact, in his very next start against those same White Sox, he got knocked around for 9 baserunners and 2 long flies and did not make it past the 5th inning.

Yes, he did put up solid numbers when he was moved back into the rotation, but in those final seven starts, he only pitched past the 5th in two of those outings. It does appear stamina could be an issue with Greinke.

Like I said, I have seen a lot of Greinke and his stuff is good, but not worth spending double digits on the small sampling of those great outings you get per season.

I expect he may see some more time in the pen in 2008, where he was extremely effective last year. Do not bid expecting 2004 earnings. I have set my own personal bid limit at $4, and that makes me uneasy.
Keith Cromer Slyke
Jan 26 '08
Moving into the pen sort of straighten him out. It seemed like he gained some more zip on his fastball and looked a lot more comfortable post ASB. Hard to believe he will only be 25. Great potential to stash away.
E Park yoda
Jan 26 '08
Greinke started out the year in the rotation, made seven starts, and in 34 2/3 IP went 1-4 with a 5.71 ERA, allowed 49 hits and walked 11 for a 1.73 WHIP, and struck out 20. He returned to the rotation on August 24 and in his last seven starts went 34 IP, went 2-2 with a 1.85 ERA, allowed 30 hits and 10 walks for a 1.18 WHIP, and struck out 31 batters. He's obviously not going to put up a 1.85 ERA if he stays in the rotation, but he is a better pitcher than he showed in April. His stuff is real; I saw him in late September against the White Sox, and Greinke was on top of his game.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Jan 26 '08
Pitchers can usually go all out when they know they only need to last 1-2 innings. Greinke had 55 Ks in 54.1 IP as a reliever. He had only 51 Ks in 68.2 IP as a starter. Seems to me he has Jose Mesa syndrome and his main problem is stamina. The batting average against split is even more disturbing- .226 versus .292. The ERAs were much closer, but the components are not favorable if he's in the rotation. Bid accordingly.
Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Jan 12 '08
Interesting to compare last year to his rookie season. Quite a bit lower ERA last year, despite quite a bit higher rating. Might be a function of pitching 38 games out of the pen. Big rise in K/IP. Which could be a function of getting stronger as he fills out, which could be a function of...?
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07