Joe Nathan Washington Nationals

Age: 48 (November 22, 1974) | 6' 4" | 230lbs. | Throws: Right Minors: p-27
Tm Lg YEAR W L SV Hld G GS IP H HR BB SO ERA WHIP Rating BB/9 SO/9 BABIP G/L/F % $4x4 $5x5
SF NL 1999 7 4 1 0 19 14 90.1 84 17 46 54 4.18 1.44 1.47 4.6 5.4 .250 n/a
SF NL 2000 5 2 0 0 20 15 93.1 89 12 63 61 5.21 1.63 1.48 6.1 5.9 .276 n/a
SF NL 2002 0 0 0 0 4 0 3.2 1 0 0 2 0.00 0.27 0.27 0.0 0.0 .107 n/a 2
SF NL 2003 12 4 0 0 78 0 79.0 51 7 33 83 2.96 1.06 0.99 3.8 9.5 .239 n/a 19
MIN AL 2004 1 2 44 0 73 0 72.1 48 3 23 89 1.62 0.98 0.88 2.9 11.1 .281 n/a 43
MIN AL 2005 7 4 43 0 69 0 70.0 46 5 22 94 2.70 0.97 0.92 2.8 12.1 .284 n/a 42
MIN AL 2006 7 0 36 0 64 0 68.1 38 3 16 95 1.58 0.79 0.74 2.1 12.5 .264 n/a 45
MIN AL 2007 4 2 37 0 68 0 71.2 54 4 19 77 1.88 1.02 0.97 2.4 9.7 .286 n/a 39 25
MIN AL 2008 1 2 39 0 68 0 67.2 43 5 18 74 1.33 0.90 0.88 2.4 9.8 .245 n/a 39 25
MIN AL 2009 2 2 47 0 70 0 68.2 42 7 22 89 2.10 0.93 0.92 2.9 11.7 .251 n/a 43 27
MIN AAA 2011 0 0 0 0 3 1 3.0 2 0 1 5 0.00 1.00 0.83 3.0 15.0 .366 n/a
MIN AL 2011 2 1 14 0 48 0 44.2 38 7 14 43 4.84 1.16 1.24 2.8 8.7 .272 35/18/47 10 6
TEX AL 2012 3 5 37 0 66 0 64.0 55 7 13 78 2.81 1.06 1.12 1.8 11.0 .319 45/21/33 30 20
TEX AL 2013 6 2 43 0 67 0 64.2 36 2 22 73 1.39 0.90 0.77 3.1 10.2 .237 32/23/45 44 27
DET AL 2014 5 4 35 0 62 0 58.0 60 5 29 54 4.81 1.53 1.41 4.5 8.4 .334 42/23/36 19 10
DET AAA 2015 0 0 0 0 1 0 0.2 0 0 0 1 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.0 0.0 0.00 n/a
DET AL 2015 0 0 1 0 1 0 0.1 0 0 0 1 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.0 0.0 0.00 n/a 1 0
CHC AA 2016 0 1 0 0 7 0 6.2 3 2 0 6 2.70 0.45 0.90 0.0 0.0 .072 n/a
SF AA 2016 1 0 2 0 6 0 6.0 3 0 1 7 0.00 0.67 0.58 1.5 10.5 .232 n/a
CHC AAA 2016 0 0 0 0 4 0 2.2 0 0 5 3 6.75 1.88 0.94 16.9 10.1 0.00 n/a
CHC NL 2016 1 0 0 0 3 0 2.0 2 0 2 4 0.00 2.00 1.50 9.0 18.0 .549 0/75/25 1 1
SF NL 2016 1 0 0 0 7 0 4.0 3 0 2 5 0.00 1.25 1.00 4.5 11.2 .323 27/9/64 2 1
WAS AAA 2017 0 2 4 0 17 0 16.0 19 3 8 15 6.19 1.69 1.72 4.5 8.4 .347 n/a
SF NL 2017 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.0 0.0 0.00 n/a 0 0
Career 17yrs 64 34 377 0 787 29 922.2 690 84 344 976 2.87 1.12 1.07 3.4 9.5 .272 n/a
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Alex Patton Alex
Dec 15 '09
I can't disagree, TJ. It's easier to back up your arguments with hard facts and numbers. On the other hand, visiting the Hall is a much more emotional experience for me than a logical one.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Sep 18 '09
One problem with your test is that, as you noted, it can ignore the objective measures that have come about in the last twenty or thirty years. We now know that a lot of players looked really good on the field, or had the respect of their peers, but don't deserve their plaques. Two recent examples might include Bruce Sutter and Jim Rice. On the other hand, there are a number of players who didn't have the "Wow" factor, but when you look at their numbers, they deserve to be there. Recent examples would include Alan Trammel, Lou Whitaker, and (so far) Tim Raines (although I think he passes your test as well; he had the "Wow" factor for me). Nathan seems to fall into this second group, although relievers (rightfully) seemed to be having a hard time of it until recently, in part due to statistical analysis that has pointed out that their small number of IP really affects their value.
T.J. Rohr TJRohr
Sep 18 '09
Toz and I have talked a lot about the Hall as of late, and he came up with a simple test that - although subjective - I like a lot.

Picture yourself in the year 2030 walking around the Hall of Fame. Would you feel like something was missing if there wasn't a plaque there for the player you're arguing about?
Mike Gianella MikeG
Sep 17 '09
I look at his numbers over the last six years and see him and Mo and nobody else. And if you drill into the numbers, Nathan's probably better.

From 2004-2009, Nathan allowed six hits per 9 IP or less five times. In his 15 year career, Mariano's done that a grand total of three times.

Nathan struck out 9.7 batters or more per 9 all six years during this run. Mariano: three times in his entire career.

Nathan's adjusted ERA has been 230+ or higher four of these six years. Here Mo catches up, as he's done that 10 times, including five time during Nathan's run.

It doesn't take much imagination for me to look at Nathan's run these past six years and be pretty damn awed by what he's done.

Would I put him in the Hall without hesitation if he retired at the end of this year? No. But I'd think pretty damn hard about it...despite the fact that he doesn't get the media attention that Bonds, Pedro and Pujols do or did.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Sep 16 '09
Nathan's problem is he was never hands down the best closer in baseball. He was always among the best, but you could never look at what he did and say, Yup, that's the best in the game.

Nathan may very well be a HoFer by the time it's all over, but it'll be because of a combination of dominance and longevity.

The Koufax argument only works for the "if he was hit by a truck tomorrow, would he be in the HoF" guys, guys whose peak was ridiculously high even if they wouldn't (yet) have the usual longevity: Pedro after 2000 or Pujols after 2005 (and maybe Bonds after 1993). That's not Nathan.
Jurgen Maas Jurgen
Sep 15 '09
Quiz reminds me more of a Don Mattingly: someone who had 2-3 great seasons, one or two really good seasons, but who my instincts tell me fall short.

I should have been a little more careful with my Nathan/Koufax comparison down there. I think Nathan needs another year or two that matches up to his best years before we can seriously begin to have that discussion.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Sep 13 '09
What's your take on Dan Quisenberry then?
Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Sep 12 '09
Slyke scoffs at me for saying this, but I think Joe Nathan fits the "Sandy Koufax dominance" model as a potential HOF candidate.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Sep 12 '09
You think the Twins won that Pierzysnki trade with the Giants?
Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Sep 6 '09