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Paul Byrd Boston Red Sox
No, your points were salient. I was talking more to the segment of the crowd that sometimes loses perspective and says "I'll never own Paul Byrd." Heck, I don't want him either. But I need to set a price that makes sure I don't get Mike Maroth instead.

And I know what you're saying. I watched Byrd against the Red Sox early in the year on ESPN. He cruised through 5, and then loaded the bases in the sixth. Each pitch gave me a heart attack. The funny thing was that Byrd looked mad at the world each time the Sox dinked one in, as if he was somehow surprised that his "stuff" wasn't working.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Jan 30 '08
Jacoby Ellsbury New York Yankees
Wow...I couldn't agree more with each of these posts.

Those 97 AB's in September will inflate his worth dramatically. His ML scan shows me he is an average OF at best...reminds me of a poor man's Tom Goodwin with less speed.

Let somebody else get sucked into the hype and bid $18-$20 (which someone will).

I'll grab Gathright for 1/3 of the price and get equal production.
Keith Cromer Slyke
Jan 30 '08
Johan Santana Minnesota Twins
Until I see their books, you can't convince me that $22 million per year is a big deal to the Mets.

For a healthy Santana. That's the only thing that should give Minaya or the Wilpons pause, as I'm sure it has.
Alex Patton Alex
Jan 30 '08
Paul Byrd Boston Red Sox
Mike, it wasn't my intention to run the bus over Byrd, but re-reading my previous post, I suppose I did. I actually like Byrd from a real baseball perspective as not just a "bullpen saver", but as a legitimate member of the rotation. I mean how many clubs wouldn't take 4.59 over 6-1/3 every time out. Heck, that's a number 2 guy for some teams...:)

And dagnabit, if he wasn't the Indians best pitcher in the playoffs.

From a Fantasy POV, I agree with you (and I'm using my own words here) that sometimes you just need a pitcher that simply doesn't suck, or won't suck. However, I still think it's easiest to just check the box score the next morning.
Gary Cruciani Megary
Jan 30 '08
Matt Capps Atlanta Braves
As someone who has gotten a lifetime of enjoyment out of rooting against the Yankees (they don't call me a masochist for nothing), I've had a soft spot for the Pirates since 1960. But since Slyke probably wasn't even born then, you're right Toz.

Now, in defense of Mike, y'all are aware his bid is for 5x5? Different animal than 4x4.

I'd say his bid and mine are the same.
Alex Patton Alex
Jan 30 '08
Barry Bonds San Francisco Giants
I was a young lad, just starting out my own career in New York, when Willie came here to finish out his. And it was indeed a sad final act to see up close. Willie did not help the Mets in any way on the field, nor was he much help at the box office.

Bonds as the DH on the right team -- say, Seattle -- might well be the difference that gets the team into the playoffs, and THAT would put fannies in the seats. So, from this standpoint, I can't see why he should retire or why he shouldn't get a pretty decent salary to keep playing.
Alex Patton Alex
Jan 30 '08
Paul Byrd Boston Red Sox
I didn't realize my offhanded comment on Paul Byrd was going to start such a flurry of discussion.

There's no doubt a guy who has given up 11.42 H/9 over the last two seasons is a huge Roto risk. But, as everyone points out, Byrd counterbalances the risk by not hurting himself with walks and keeping his team in the game enough to put himself in line for the win.

I owned Byrd all year up until the final week of the season, when I waived him because I had more to lose in ERA/WHIP than I had to gain. $9 earnings are ho hum for a starting pitcher, but that put Byrd 31st amongst A.L. starters. In a 12-team league, that made him someone's #3 starter. You might hold your nose at Byrd, but you need at least one innings-eater like Byrd or Jon Garland to win.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Jan 30 '08
I agree with Toz on this one. The Braves had a lot of concerns with Marte's developement and also feared he was hiding a torn UCL in his elbow, so they moved him to add Renteria. The Braves continue to be at the top of their game when evaluating talent.
Keith Cromer Slyke
Jan 30 '08
Francisco Liriano Toronto Blue Jays
With Sanatana traded this adds even more questions to one of the more interesting players this season. I'm sure they would have liked to minimize his innings but with their ace gone how much will be on Liriano to assume that role? Liriano as was mentioned previously has a delivery that unless changed is going to cause repeated arm problems. In his 16 starts he faced 3 teams twice with 2 out of the 3 second starts being worse then the first. No doubt he could earn $25 or $0 this year. I'll be maxing out at a bid limit of $10 this year but I'll be talking him up in hopes that someone will bid up to $20 on the hype and waste $20 on a pitcher that might only give them 100IP.
Rick Morray LuckyCharm
Jan 30 '08
Paul Byrd Boston Red Sox
If you're a baseball fan, he is the type of pitcher that you have to love because the thought is that his numbers wouldn't change much regardless if he's pitching Sundays in the AL Central or the North Valley Beer League. He gives us all the hope or impression that if we only learned to throw strikes, maybe, just maybe that could have been us admitting HGH use before Game 7 of the ALCS...ahh, dreams.

But as a fantasy pitcher, if he's on your team you just scratch your head and ask, "How did it all come to this?"

Regards to JohnB for managing to watch Byrd pitch. As a Tribe fan, I normally would only watch the half innings when the Indians were batting, using the remote as a substitute for closing my eyes when Byrd got out there. Though I have to say, the windup is really cool.
Gary Cruciani Megary
Jan 30 '08
Matt Capps Atlanta Braves
The only absurd comment in this thread is that Slyke is an unbiased Pirates fan!!!!! :)
John Toczydlowski Toz
Jan 30 '08
Johan Santana Minnesota Twins
Going back to the other trade packages, my guess is this. One, the Yankees back off Hughes and Kennedy and, two, the Sox pulled Lester back and went with an Ellsbury package. Now we can debate whether the Ellsbury package is better, or whether Hughes/Cabrera is better, but, in the end, packages without Kennedy and Lester combined with leaving Santana in the AL were not acceptable.

And as said below, the Twins didn't have much of a choice; for them, the NL option was better than the AL option.

Santana will get 6 years, not 7. I'm guessing about $22 million per year will get it done. That puts my heart in my throat if I am a GM, but with a new park, a new television contract, and the collapse of last year, what needs to be done will be done.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Jan 30 '08
I don't disagree that the Twinkies may had a better offer at the deadline (a la RJ to HOU) but... they also had Santana's no-trade clause to work around. He already told them that he would not waive his no-trade during the season.

I think if any of these prospects turn out to be a star, then the trade evens out. Even if they don't, what other choices did Minnie have?
E Park yoda
Jan 30 '08
Matt Capps Atlanta Braves
I will admit first that I am a Pirates fan, but I am an unbiased one. I have seen a lot of Capps, and while it does seem unlikely the Pirates could actually develop a young pitcher, he can pitch. Great command and keeps the ball down. His HR/9 ratio last year is more in line with his ML numbers, so the 12 HR's in 2006 seem to be an aberration.

No reason to think he can't save 30 games...even on a bad (doesn't that go without saying?) Pirates team.
Keith Cromer Slyke
Jan 30 '08
Johan Santana Minnesota Twins
I agree the Twins should have waited until July based on what they received. They got the Mets 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th rated prospects (according to BA) but none of these players are "A" prospects. Humber and Mulvey project to be No. 3-4 starters at this point at best, and Gomez has not shown the power the Mets' had hoped he would develop. Guerra seems to have the greatest upside, but he won't turn 19 until April. Time will tell how these youngsters pan out for the Twins, but the Mets appear to have made a great trade. Frankly, I would have taken any Yankees deal that included either Hughes or Kennedy over this one.

It just seems to me the Twins might have been able to get more at the deadline.
Keith Cromer Slyke
Jan 30 '08
Joe Mauer Minnesota Twins
How could Billy Beane have gotten this guy. He went #1 in the draft. The Twins were criticized for not taking Mark Prior, the consensus #1, due to signability issues. Mauer is from Minnesota, so that was a factor as well. Turns out, they made the right call. TINSTAAPP- There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.
Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Jan 30 '08
Barry Bonds San Francisco Giants
Have you seen him play the outfield or run the bases? Unless he gets a DH job, he'll be doing some tarnishing. And Yoda, you're talking about one of the greatest sluggers in baseball history, so those numbers (other than his other-worldly batting eye) are pedestrian for him. By playing, he can't possibly win: the standards he's set are too high. He can't be as sad as Mays was, but that is a memory I'm sorry that I have.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Jan 30 '08
Matt Capps Atlanta Braves
I agree he's not the classic overpowering closer, but not every team has the luxury of that kind of guy. And if that flamethrower doesn't have the command, it doesn't matter how hard he throws. Capps's K/BB is excellent, and even if he gives up a few more dingers, he's still looking like a fantasy stud. I haven't seen that much of him in person, but what I've seen has been a guy who's pretty tough to hit.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Jan 30 '08
Johan Santana Minnesota Twins
You would be hard-pressed to find anyone who didn't think Santana was the best pitcher in baseball. However, he had a bit of a rough year in 2007, at least the first half. 33 balls over the wall is a very large number. 3.33 is the highest ERA Johan has thrown. Worst K/BB since his first year as well. And every pitcher is just one throw away from an injury. The rule of thumb is to get the other team's top young hitter and pitcher. The Twins pressed the Mets for Reyes or Martinez and got nowhere. They pressed the Sawx for Ellsbury and Lester or Buchholtz and got nowhere. They pressed the Yankees for Hughes, Melky and Ian Kennedy or Austin Jackson and got nowhere. The team with the impending free agent just doesn't have that much leverage. If he's a superstar like Santana, it's not only the players, but the 150 million bucks. Who's going to give up the store and the safe deposit box, too?
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Jan 30 '08
Yoda's right, that the issue here is who would pay for a seven year extension for JS. We don't know yet that the Mets will, though they gave up little enough to make it seem pretty sure that they will.

We won't ever know who else offered what exactly, but we do know that the Twins considered the Mets' offer the best. That makes me suspect the rumored Yankees and Red Sox packages weren't for real.

If I was the Twins I would have waited until July. Someone would have paid more then.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Jan 30 '08

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