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The last twenty comments in true blog fasion, with the links to their authors and the player commented upon.

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Pete Rose Cincinnati Reds
Alex remembers that I was defending Rose, less because I liked him and more because of the presumption of innocence and my reluctance to give unqualified acceptance to testimony from those with incentive to, shall we say, embellish their testimony to give them a better chance at immunity.

That said, I find it pretty ridiculous to hear Rose say that steroid use is worse than gambling. Steroid users are trying to improve their level of play -- even if it's to improve their pay, it also should be helping their team win. Gambling is a serious thing because it gives rise to the temptation for players (and managers) to give less than a full effort. (Even betting on one's team can mean a stronger effort on the games bet on than the others.) Trying harder to win seems less of a challenge to the integrity of the game than conduct that might lead one to give less than a full effort.
mike fenger mike
Dec 21 '07
Tim Wakefield Boston Red Sox
I never really look at rating. I often head over to ESPN's site and check out the OBP/SLG/OPS against for pitchers.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 21 '07
Mark McGwire San Diego Padres
McGwire went for $3 in my friend's A.L. league that year. I don't remember what Nelson went for.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 21 '07
Pete Rose Cincinnati Reds
Predictable Reaction Department

Peter Rose in an interview following the Mitchell Report:

"If you're going to put these guys that supposedly did steroids into the Hall of Fame, I mean I've got to get a shot somewhere."

And if steroids were prevalent in his day?

"I would have got 5,000 hits."

744 more? Maybe not. But he would have gotten more because no way would he have allowed competitors to get an edge. He would have gotten a shot somewhere.

Alex Patton Alex
Dec 21 '07
Tim Wakefield Boston Red Sox
Another problem with WHIP is it looks very much like Rating. Rating being a refined form of WHIP (H+.5*BB+1.5*HR).

Especially for Wakefield.

So I'd be inclined to start off with just Ratio and see if people complain.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 21 '07
Josh Barfield Baltimore Orioles
There are clearly flaws to his hitting game (he swings too much) and he's not a good second baseman, which means that his opportunity to succeed is presented with a really small window. He screwed it up last year, and may not have the chops to get over this year.

But I think he's young enough and talented enough with enough pedigree that he'll end up being useful, rather than like Tim Raines Jr. and Tony Gwynn Jr. At least.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 21 '07
Mark McGwire San Diego Padres
All the smart money was on Nelson that year. I think that was a reading of the platoon, which seemed darned sophisticated at the time. When we've finally compiled a serious minor league database I hope we learn something else.

I just searched the Ask Rotoman archives and don't find a discussion of Nelson vs. McGwire. Too bad, it was hotly contested.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 21 '07
Tim Wakefield Boston Red Sox
I think having Ratio and WHIP isn't a big problem, but it does make things crowded and my eye doesn't always fall right on the information I want as a result. I'd say cut WHIP, but readers will say that's the one they want, so we should cut Ratio.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 21 '07
Jimmy Rollins San Francisco Giants
I think he's about 15th, and someone to go a few dollars beyond on if the situation calls for it, but that looks like a career year.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 21 '07
My intitial bid was $39. Then I saw what Peter and Mike had for their bids. Then I chopped $2 off.

Because Rollins did go crazy last year. The chances are he slides back a little bit.

And nevertheless, as I see it, Peter's mixed bid is way too timid. In mixed leagues, you identify the five or ten very best players and make damn sure you get two of them.

Does not Jimmy Rollins qualify as among the ten best players?
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 21 '07
Tim Wakefield Boston Red Sox
His wins were worth $15.

That being the case, owners happily lived with his neutral Ratio (Rotisserie-league average, worth $0). They weren't too pained by his ERA (a little higher than Rotisserie-league average and thus minus $4).

Interestingly, the folks at BBHQ think his ERA should have been a little higher (xERA 4.88); the Baseball Info Solutions folks think it should have been lower (ERC 4.14). I compare the ratings in this five-year scan to his actual ERAs and think his 2007 ERA was just about where it figured to be.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07
His hit percent percent dropped from 34 to 28, which could be attributed to bad luck. But his line-drive percent also took quite a dive: from 24 to 16. Don't bet on his hitting .300 again.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07
Matt Miller Cleveland Indians
With a scoreless, if not spotless, inning last year, he lowered his career ERA to 2.72. Having faced major league hitters on 100 separate occasions, getting a little more than three outs each time, he has something to boast about to his grandchildren.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07
Masumi Kuwata Pittsburgh Pirates
Got a little taste of the American game after 21 seasons in Japan.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07
Joba Chamberlain Cleveland Indians
Is Jury Duty a TV show? That would explain it.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07
Roger Clemens Boston Red Sox
Author Tony Horwitz is in my league and shares this great story:

"I was at lunch with a fellow owner today and asked him how many players he had on his roster who had been implicated. He wisely replied, "obviously, not enough."
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 20 '07
Joba Chamberlain Cleveland Indians
Easy on the cultural references Rotoman; Alex never seems to know what I'm talking about!
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 20 '07
He'll be frozen in most leagues.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 20 '07
Scott Spiezio St. Louis Cardinals
If he qualifies in the outfield in your league, he's definitely worth a buck; that's how important position flexibility is.

If he qualifies at second, two bucks.

If he's retired, no bucks.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07
Hit .317 in the second half, slugged .516. Even though he hit more grounders, fewer flies and line drives in the second half. Despite Petco, which will always be a problem, he's poised for a breakout year, which probably means bidding wars that it's best to stay out of.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07

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