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I just checked Jeter, Young and A-Rod, and the position info is correct. Does it show differently on other screens or do I continue to misunderstand the question?

On the this-year bids front, they should be posted by this weekend. The software will also be going up for sale. So this is your last chance (ONLY TWO MORE DAYS!) to grab the Evaluator for free. Find out who the real batting champs were in each league. Things like that.

Sometimes I think we don't even need the Projector. But that's just me. This weekend is the big event -- definitely, finally, for sure -- that so many of you have been patiently waiting for.
Alex Patton Alex
Feb 12 '09
Albert Pujols Los Angeles Angels
His RC/27 is scary good...take a look at Al Mechior's analysis of RC/27 and first base rankings over at CBS Sportsline. I haven't done enough analysis of RC/27, but I think it will make for a lively debate.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 12 '09
Bobby Abreu Philadelphia Phillies
As a life-long Philadelphia area resident, I will vouch for Mike's comment. Here's the rub, though - we all saw Abreu on the cusp of excellence, and wanted so badly for him to reach it for our "real" baseball desires. From a fantasy perspective, his impact is spectacular. From a regular man's perspective, he is just part of another failed decade of Phillies baseball (up until 2008 of course).
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 12 '09
I don't worry as much about getting "stuck" with a low cost MI, because improvements will surface during the season, so I'm not really stuck with him. I went in protecting Asdrubal last season because he I got him cheap as a free agent the year before. He stunk up the joint, so I eventually replaced him with a cheap Aviles. I figure I'll do the same thing this year. This is generally a position specific matter. Decent MI, OF, and SP will become available during the season, but not nearly so much at the corner spots or catcher, and we all know about RP, so I structure my team accordingly at the outset. I do only play in leagues with no or a small group of reserves. In those "ultra" leagues with 17 reserves, I imagine you really can't count on the free agent pool for much of value.
John Thomas Roll2
Feb 12 '09
Bobby Abreu Philadelphia Phillies
Having lived in Philadelphia the last three and a half years and having been in a Philly-based Roto league for the last 13, I can say that Abreu has definitely generated his share of agita locally. He was constantly criticized for being the straw that didn't stir the drink, or the "leader" that old school baseball men love to try and conjure out of thin air. This unfortunately masks the fact that Abreu has been a very, very good player who has always bordered on the cusp of excellence. I hope Angels fans appreciate what he does bring to the table and don't expect more than that.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Feb 11 '09
Roberto Alomar Toronto Blue Jays
Did he have AIDS in 2002? If so, his 2002 stats have to be viewed as superhuman. As do the next two years, really.
Alex Patton Alex
Feb 11 '09
Bobby Abreu Philadelphia Phillies
Probably the steadiest, most predictable, least controversial player to play on so many teams before entering the years of decline. A measure of the way the game is played now, I guess.
Alex Patton Alex
Feb 11 '09
Cole Hamels Atlanta Braves
...unless you go to the CBS Sportsline site or our blog.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Feb 11 '09
Good discussion, guys. Very interesting. Aviles won't be available in either of my leagues, which means that I won't have to make a call on him, but it also means that SS is even thinner.

I typically like to allot $40-$50 for my 3 Middle Infielders, so I'll be bidding aggressively on the top and middle guys, but it will be in the back of my mind that I may have to take a SS that I don't like too much. But if the price is fair and you spend your money aggressively in other places, that's okay.

I'd probably stop at $12 or $13 on Aviles, just because that .325 average is more than 1/3 of his value and doesn't seem likely to happen again.
Scott Shea SJS
Feb 11 '09
Thanks, Toz. Luckily I have Aviles at a good keeper price. But I'll bring my tooth brush just in case.
Tom Ryan toshiro
Feb 11 '09
Cole Hamels Atlanta Braves
Cole Hamels was the first player purchased by Patton & Co. in the 2009 CBS Sportsline NL Expert League. The price is a secret...for now.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 11 '09
Roberto Alomar Toronto Blue Jays
I am hearing that Alomar was asked to take an HIV test in '04 or '05 and he refused, which is why he retired.

John Hirshbeck is not happy today.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 11 '09
Ultimately, this topic of conversation comes down to the difference between formulaic analysis and the reality of the auction. I do not mean that in any condescending or critical way; what I mean is that they are two different yet interrelated universes.

Aviles is a good example. I agree with Rotoman: I do not want to pay $16 for Mike Aviles (that K/W is a little scary). I agree with Mike, however, that I do not want to pay $3 for scrubbeenies. So what the hell Toz? What do we do?

Ultimately, there is an element of fantasy that the software and related forumlas do not really account for: the position scarcity argument. Now we can debate all day whether position scarcity is a reality or a falsity, but, when push comes to shove in the NL expert auction, there are a ton of 1B and a ton of OF, but very few of everything else. You HAVE to spend your money...the slotting really doesn't change much; it is more the players that fit the slots that change.

If you don't like Mike Aviles, that is all well and good, but you have to spend your money in the middle somewhere. What if you swing and whiff on Jeter, Young, Lowrie, et al.? Do you walk away from the table with $15 in your pocket, or do you pay your adjusted par value and throw up a little in your mouth while you take Aviles' stats over John McDonald's. In my opinion, you can always brush your teeth later.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 11 '09
Manny Ramirez Boston Red Sox
Correct me if I'm wrong Rotoman, but I think that Manny's on your cover because he earned more in Roto last year based on your prices than any other player.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Feb 11 '09
Rotoman, what were you thinking, ManRam on the cover? He is either the emblem for much that is wrong with modern ballplayers (see, ARod et.al., and inability to play it straight even after being caught), or in some perverse way reminding us roto players that all we care about are the numbers, behavior, truth, be damned.
Noah Hirsch NSH
Feb 11 '09
Bobby Abreu Philadelphia Phillies
Abreu to LAA. Awesome signing for the Angels. Unbelievable that no team would go more.
Tom Ryan toshiro
Feb 11 '09
The other thing I'll point out is that in Rotoman's Guide it says Aviles earned $11 in 2008. That $8 gap between that and what you see here in the $ column is significant.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Feb 11 '09
Roberto Alomar Toronto Blue Jays
Story in the NY Daily News reports that Roberto Alomar's girlfriend is suing him over allegedly having unprotected sex with her knowing he had AIDS.

If true, it's a sad story for everyone involved. Alomar was a truly outstanding player for many years. His career feel off the table in 2002 when he went to the Mets. I'm not in any way trying to suggest that the disease and his career path have anything in common.

If he did contract AIDS it's especially sad because he came up with the Padres, who had lost Alan Wiggins to AIDS at the very same position Alomar played.
Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Feb 11 '09
I'll parrot what Alex has said all of these years. If you don't like Aviles, put your bid at $10 and watch him sail past. Just make sure that you put enough money somewhere else so that you don't wind up with $30 burning a hole in your pocket at the end of the auction. And I agree that you don't want to overpay Mike Aviles because there are no SS out there, but you also don't want to cheat all of the middle infielders and wind up with Donnie Murphy, John McDonald, and the ghost of Mark Lemke at a combined $3 because all of the MI are bums.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Feb 11 '09
Mike Pelfrey Detroit Tigers
The development of pitchers is pretty closely tied to their walk rate, their strikeout rate, and their home run rate. These same factors almost always best describe a pitcher's year. Pelfrey's problem is that he has always walked a bunch of guys. His virtue is that he kept the ball on the ground.

Last year he walked fewer, which helped. He doesn't allow homers, which helps. But he's hittable, which is the price you pay for being in the strike zone. Since he isn't a big strikeout guy he's devalued in 5x5, and prognosticators believe that luck will catch up with whatever success he's had.

That's what I know. On the other hand he's had major league success at a good age. He was considered a prospect, and he's still young enough.

I'm not going crazy over the guy, but he's coming off a nice year and there is some chance it wasn't a fluke. That's not something to pay for, but it's something to look at if no one else pays for it.

Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Feb 10 '09

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