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Jose Contreras Texas Rangers
You folks ever heard of bad BIPs luck?

Just kidding. But if you think you know what Conteras is going to do, you're deluded.
Alex Patton Alex
Feb 8 '08
John Maine Florida Marlins
Agreed. I've given him a $3 raise.
Alex Patton Alex
Feb 8 '08
Jose Valverde New York Mets
$22 in Sportsline. One dollar under my sheet price. I got Saito for $21, however, so no crying here.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 8 '08
Chien-Ming Wang Kansas City Royals
El-Nino - I disagree with you only about 1 thing. In 1999, in a start up NL league, I drafted a $10 pitching staff (I was planning on $9) comprised, save one exception, of all Rockies pitchers. That, my friend, was unique and, hopefully, not repeated (at least until the humidor era).
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 8 '08
Curt Schilling Boston Red Sox
At the end of my day, I've docked him $7.
Alex Patton Alex
Feb 8 '08
Harang has got to be the biggest pitching surprise in baseball. I'm sure nobody saw this guy coming. And it seems as though he pitches a good game every time he goes out there. However, his numbers last year were a big step up from previous years. Only 213 hits in 232 innings. If he reverts to the more than a hit an inning of earlier years, he may not be as successful despite his almost identical year in 2006. He probably does have a chance to outperform Penny, but that park has got to catch up with him eventually and Penny pitches in the friendly confines of Chavez Ravine. But Penny plus $10 is better than Harang. Lyon is unrelyonable, so Pena at $3 is a value, but Soriano at $11 is as good as it gets. Valverde in Minute Maid scares me, but is more valuable than Harang at the same price if saves are a necessity to you.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Feb 8 '08
I don't buy the Pena won't be the closer talk for a minute. Depending upon when your auction is, I don't see how you don't keep him with Lyon as the alternative.

Broadly speaking, since, as Mike said, I'm not sure if this is 4x4 or 5x5, I think Harang is a keep at $20 and better than Penny. Harang is trending correctly, is a workhorse, and is keeping those walks way down. I did not have him high enough on my Sportsline list, and let him get away for $21, and, given the strikeouts, I think I will regret that decision later down the line.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 8 '08
Brad Penny Miami Marlins
Ask and you shall receive:

2007 first half: 10-1, 2.39 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 82K
2007 second half: 6-3, 3.84 ERA, 1.46 WHIP, 53K

The walks went way up and the Ks down in the second half. BAA went from .244 to .281.

2006 first half: 10-2, 2.91, 1.21, 82K
2006 second half: 6-7, 6.25, 1.61, 66K

This time, the walks didn't go up: the BAA went from .249 to .317.

2005 first half: 5-5, 3.43, 1.19, 56K
2006 second half: 2-4, 4.48, 1.42, 66K

Hmmm...I'm picking up a trend here. In 2003 (I skipped '04 because of the 2nd half injury), he had an ERA over 1 run better in the first half. Go figure.

John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 8 '08
Penny was not lucky last year. He was psycho before last year, so whatever medication or psychiatric care he was on helped him immensely. He changed his style of pitching completely, and I mean pitching. Instead of trying to throw the ball through the other guy's bat, he pitched to contact and was extremely successful. The guy is scary: he looks like Frankenstein on the mound. He's gigantic, he's mean and it seems that now he's smart, too. I won't guarantee that he'll be as good as he was last year, but he is in a pitcher's park and he'll be just as gigantic and intimidating on the mound as last year. He'll never go 16 and 4 again, but he could improve his mediocre peripherals quite easily.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Feb 8 '08
Jose Contreras Texas Rangers
$1 on Contreras = 3 seconds of silence (for the going once, twice, sold).

Followed by 2 minutes of bellowing laughter.

Just kidding....he's worth a dollar (maybe).
Brian Boyaji EL-NINO
Feb 8 '08
Gary Sheffield New York Mets
You guys can pan this guy all you want, but Sheff is deadly with a wooden object in his fists. How many guys swing for the fences on every pitch and still walk more than they K? He was really dinged up last year to the point where he couldn't play. Of course, the bid depends on if he's healthy in the spring, so watch closely because he is one of the best pure hitters in baseball and he funnels all that anger into creaming the other guy's pitching staff. $20 something is no problem for me. Plus, it seems unlikely that he'll steal 22 bases the rest of his career, but he could steal 8 this year.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Feb 8 '08
John Maine Florida Marlins
I had Maine targeted on my Sportsline list, but he wound up going for $20 (I have him at $13, with a note to go to $16). He is trending positively and is a third year starter, a level where good starters tend to break out.

I think $10 for 5x5 and $11 for 4x4 are both too low.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 8 '08
Vinnie Chulk Oakland Athletics
Well, Chulk another one up for the Giants.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 8 '08
Kelvim Escobar New York Mets
I guess, Jeff. You and I don't need to address pitching on every post - I think people know where we stand on pitching depth. If Escobar was 26 or 27, I might agree with you. Escobar, though, is a guy who has pitched 200 innings once, and has been hurt in almost every year of his major and minor league careers. I would be careful about how high you go for him, though if he is there at $13-$15, then I don't know how you don't go one more.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 8 '08
Curt Schilling Boston Red Sox
Now he's blogging away that he won't go under the knife and will tough it out with rehab (which may still mean no games until July). At the end of the day he wants to make sure he gets that last $8M payday.
Brian Boyaji EL-NINO
Feb 8 '08
John Smoltz Atlanta Braves
Smoltz went for $22 in the CBS Sportsline NL 5x5. I have him at $17 on my sheet for 12 team 5x5, so I thought that was a little high. Of course, on the downside, I paid $16 for Wainwright. I think I would still rather have Smoltz.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 8 '08
Will probably be out for all or most of the year after Tommy John surgery. Save your buck.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Feb 8 '08
Pat Neshek Philadelphia Phillies
Baseball Reference places similarites with (in recent history) Todd Jones, TJ Matthews, Tim Burke, and Ricky Bottalico. Matthews and Bottalico did flame out in approx. 3 years, while Jones is still alive and kicking. In looking at Tim Burke, I never realized that he was THAT effective for THAT long....really had a nice run for a reliever who was used liberally. (Weird side note: Gave it all up to raise 4 adopted children in 1992/1993). Guess it was easy to go unnoticed in 1980's Montrael.

Neshek is a rare bird, though. But JJ's point about him being a CIW can't be ignored (Nathan is as good as traded come July). Really no sense in Minnesota keeping Nathan at this point.
Brian Boyaji EL-NINO
Feb 8 '08
The only quibble I have with you Jeff is the "paucity" of starters. If you look at the top, the difference between the NL and AL in terms of top depth, even with the loss of Santana and Haren, is not as great as it once was. Verlander, Bedard, Lackey, Sabathia, Beckett, Kazmir, King Felix, Halladay, Carmona, Shields, Escobar (hurt again lol), etc. and so on.

On the flip side, Neshek is like one of the very few relievers you look at and say, wow, I would rather pay $7-$10 for him than some of these 3rd and 4th starters in the AL.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 8 '08
Kelvim Escobar New York Mets
Now here's an opportunity to get an above average pitcher for a reasonable price. Your opponents are going to avoid him because of his shoulder problems, so grab him at a discounted price and get a pitcher with upside. I know, I know.....risk avoidance is the roto mantra, but in the pitching thin AL, here's a guy worth taking a chance on.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Feb 8 '08

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