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The last twenty comments in true blog fasion, with the links to their authors and the player commented upon.

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Notice how much our 5x5 guy (Mike Fenger) is impressed by Bannister's K/IP. And in 5x5, I'd happily take him at $2: not many relievers get 77 SO.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 19 '07
Don Drysdale Los Angeles Dodgers
Yes! With nine.

That plunk is somewhat famous, I think, and is one point of evidence that baseball records are perhaps just a little less than sacred.

Even so the story is awfully good.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 19 '07
Joba Chamberlain Cleveland Indians
Maybe, but that seems pessimistic. If enough come the serious are the ones who will jump through the hoop to do the difficult. Especially if we can give them some ego gratification if they get it right.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 19 '07
I was really just referring to one of Alex's earlier comments -- that we'd be reading the comments here, and explaining any changes of mind we had, whether due to changed circumstances or arguments here.

I suppose that an "early read" on actual prices would be interesting, but it's hard to see (1) many people putting full lists up, or even (2) enough people taking it seriously to put up useful numbers.
mike fenger mike
Dec 19 '07
Don Drysdale Los Angeles Dodgers
Wes Farrell (in the 30s).

As a Giants fan in the 60s, I loved it when the Giants beat him. My memory is that McCovey beat him like a drum. The Giants couldn't beat Koufax, but the next night would make up for it. At least in my memory. His consecutive scoreless-inning streak was tainted, too; he plunked Dick Dietz with the bases loaded, but it was called a strike because the umpire said Dietz didn't try to avoid it. Interesting, since I seem to remember it hitting him in the ribs . . .
mike fenger mike
Dec 19 '07
In 1965 he hit the second most homers by a pitcher ever (tied with some other guys). Only one guy hit the most, and it wasn't eight. Who?
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 19 '07
Whitey Ford New York Yankees
No power?
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 19 '07
Jim Gentile Cleveland Indians
The answer is Wrigley Field in Los Angeles, the most disruptive bandbox in baseball history, which was a major league stadium for just one year. 1961. 246 homers were hit there that year, a record that stood for 30 years according to Wikipedia.

I haven't been able to figure out which park got the record then, or has it now.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 19 '07
Joba Chamberlain Cleveland Indians
I agree with you Alex about community trickery. Polls are bogus, though I often click to see what moronic opinion the majority holds. But I think when we post prices there is an alternative version that is the collective thought of the readers.

I don't know of any site that lets readers collaborate on prices or projections (some people live for projections, while others disregard them and go for prices). This "tool," let's call it, could serve as a corrective, especially if we decide that we shouldn't update the posted bid prices after Feb 15. But also if we do.

I know plenty of people who don't think expert opinions are much use, even if they trust the expert, because they want to know how the polloi is going to act on draft day. This could be a tool to show them.

Of course, I'm spitballing. It could be really hard to implement, which is why no one has done it. But it seems to me these are the sorts of features for next year that can take this site from "interesting and fun" to "essential."
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 19 '07
Boy, I am very much in the minority here. As is well known, I much prefer year-before stats to projections and I really don't like the polls you see at other sites (How Much Time Should Barry Serve In Jail? 1 month, 1 year, 10 years, the rest of his life). Nevertheless, which are the sites that you think have the best interactive, community feel, Mike? I should check them out.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 18 '07
Jim Gentile Cleveland Indians
If expansion is the full explanation for the hitting spike in 1961, and I think it was (I don't seriously believe there was a one-year epidemic of performance-enhancing substances), it's not completely clear to me why pitchers were able to reassert themselves so forcefully the following year. Off the top of my head (I am writing without my trusty Total Baseball at my side), it took several years for the pitching brigade to be replenished after later expansions.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 18 '07
Norm Cash Detroit Tigers
Roger Maris wasn't the only one who feasted on expansion in 1961.

It never even occurred to anyone at the time that these folks might have been feasting on something else.

And they probably weren't, since for so many of these players (Jim Gentile also comes to mind), it proved to be a one-year feast.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 18 '07
I like him. I think he's successful so far because he knows what he's doing and trusts his stuff. But that stuff is hittable when things don't go right. He's going to have years where he's as bad as he was last September for two or three months, and have no value--or worse. It's not a big leap from $7 to $10, which may be why I put him at $5 in the Guide.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 18 '07
Any chance you'll address the freeze culture a little more? Bannister's at $10 in a lot of A.L. only leagues, and my money's on him getting kept in almost all of them.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 18 '07
Joba Chamberlain Cleveland Indians
In the short term, it may well be that the best we can do is use the excel/software versions as another way to more easily track changes in bid values, at least on the macro level (that is, to show in an easy way the changes as they happen between the updates in the spring). The comments here are where those can be discussed; and driven, of course, by the comments of the community. I think the exact way this interacts has to be considered an experiment; I worry that if we try to drive it/define it in advance, there's a good chance we'll be wrong.
mike fenger mike
Dec 18 '07
Chase Utley Los Angeles Dodgers
It only looks like a "funny little swish" on TV. It's one of the most efficient swings I've ever seen in baseball in person.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 18 '07
Joba Chamberlain Cleveland Indians
I think we can think of a few different ways to implement this, but I suspect they all fall under Future Features not in this year's model.

I'd like to see a Projection Line and a Correction module below it, so that in each category the user can adjust the standing projection. Maybe at the end of the day these adjustments would be averaged and a Commmunity Projection would appear, too.

Next year.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 18 '07
I'm not sure if I'm repeating things, but I was wondering if:

a) there can be an audit trail on changed bids and

b) perhaps something like Sickels has at his site with a "community projection" dollar amount. Not sure how you'd do this one, but the blogs out there definitely have a more interactive, community feel, and a feature like this might go a long way.

With a guy like Joba, keeping track of the fluctuations, and of the mood on him, might be useful.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 18 '07
Bob Gibson St. Louis Cardinals
At the tail-end of his career, Gibby started walking people again. Not because his control was regressing to his early years, and certainly not because he was afraid. Because he knew that the age-old chant "A walk is as good as a hit" was a lot of hooey, and all Gibby ever wanted to do was win.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 17 '07
Stan Musial St. Louis Cardinals
In his 22nd season he fanned more often than he walked, so in disgust he hung them up.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 17 '07

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