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Johan Santana Baltimore Orioles
I know Jurgen posted a response to Jeff, but I can't see it yet, so I'm going to post.

I haven't run the pitching prices in CBS on our blog yet, but let's look at this for an exercise.

Santana is what he is and went for $44.

Or you could have spent $44 and gotten some of the following combinations:

Peavy and Wandy Rodriguez
Webb and Jeff Francis
Haren and Sheets
Oswalt and Penny
Gallardo and Smoltz

Now, while you may look at this list and say: a-ha, you made my point - they earn equal to or more than Santana alone, I will still take Santana at $44.

First, while I have $44 invested in one player, he is a player without any significant injury history.

Second, he takes up one slot, and, for the same money, I am getting the same stats as two players.

Third, each pair on that list carries risk, injury or otherwise.

As many others have said on many different threads, you go a couple of extra dollars to buy stats for premium players. Moreover, you don't let someone in your league walk away with Santana for $30 or $35; when he repeats any of 2004, 2005, or 2006 for that auction price, you are going to lose your league. Period.
John Toczydlowski Toz
Feb 13 '08
Jeff,

Well, OK, but now we're now talking about different things. If you factor, say, 20% inflation on Alex's $35 bid price you've got $42-$45. That's perfectly reasonable.

But that doesn't mean that $45 in CBS is a good deal for Johan. At that price, you're banking on upside given the past years he's averaged $39. In non-keeper drafts $45 is a lot to pay given a) Johan has proven human, and b) there is a lot of pitching value (with upside) out there in the $15-$30 range.

(P.S. Maybe I'm just spoiled cause in my AL keeper league I've got one Sabathia and a whole Verlander, too.)
Jurgen Maas Jurgen
Feb 13 '08
Mr. Jurgen: in the keeper leagues that I'm in, there is alot of inflation, so the list of pitchers you are talking about are not going to give you two of the guys off this list for $45-$50. You'd be lucky to get 1 1/2 pitchers. And to make your case, you used last year's $30 of earnings, actually $33 instead of the $46, $40 and $53 of the three years previous for an average of $43 over the four years. We're all trying to get the most for our money, and if we put all our eggs in one basket, we can get royally screwed. However, I'm saying my preference is one Johan Santana rather than one CC Sabathia and a half of Justin Verlander, etc.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Feb 13 '08
Andre Ethier Los Angeles Dodgers
Juan Pierre is going to start most Dodger games with his paycheck and he can't be traded. Matt Kemp has a very high ceiling, is extremely strong and extremely fast. Andre Ethier is the odd man out, even if he is the right (lefty)side of the platoon. $12 is way overpriced for this solid but unspectacular player. The great thing about Andre is that he is a baseball player, not an athlete like Kemp. And he's a team guy, not an ego like Kemp. But, alas, he also isn't a linebacker with plus speed, so he'll have to be content with backing up in the corners. Maybe $7-$8.
Jeff Jaffee JeffJaffee
Feb 13 '08
I'm pretty sure Andruw was not yet dressed out in Dodger blue when I assigned $17 to Ethier. Now the question becomes, will he even be on the right side of a platoon? I guess we'll find out in spring training.
Alex Patton Alex
Feb 13 '08
Johan Santana Baltimore Orioles
"When Johan wins 22, with 250 K's and a whip around 1, what does it matter what it cost? There are only a few anchors in each league and Santana's sinks the deepest by far."

And if he repeats '07 you're paying $15 extra bucks for performance you could have had for $30.

Santana at $35 obviously you can't pass up. But I'd rather take that $45-50 he'll cost and get two of Sabathia, Webb, Verlander, Bonderman, Hamels, McGowan, Lackey, Haren, Kazmir etc.
Jurgen Maas Jurgen
Feb 13 '08
Roger Clemens Boston Red Sox
donbru? Which Izturis?
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Feb 13 '08
Kevin Frandsen San Francisco Giants
Even if the Giants get a 3B, expect Frandsen to get his share of playing time based on the sad state of the Giants IF and his versatility. His true position is 2B, but can play SS and 3B as well as the OF.

He did hit .328 in 4 ML seasons while posting solid OBP and SLG numbers and will steal an occasional base or two.

Much like Ortmeier, not sure if he will start but will get his share of AB's, and you can do worse for $2-$3 at the MI spot.
Keith Cromer Slyke
Feb 13 '08
He went for $37 in the Sportsline expert auction. He hasn't earned it yet, not even in 4x4, and he might not earn it this year, but I understand the motivation to pay top players a few dollars past par value. You have to like the K/BB trendline and the jump in SB last year. 30/40 this year?
Mike Gianella MikeG
Feb 13 '08
Carl Crawford Los Angeles Dodgers
He went for $40 in the CBS Sportsline expert auction. Keep in mind that Crawford "only" earned $38 in 5x5 in 2006 and $36 in 2007. However, at that price, he's still got the potential to break even or turn a profit. In retrospect, I would have felt better about Crawford at $41 than Vlad at $36.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Feb 13 '08
Randy Johnson San Francisco Giants
Threw off the mound last week for the first time since his back surgery and reported no problems. The rehab program has apparently gone well and he says he is ready to pitch this spring.

He was inconsistent in his 10 starts last year, but his K/9 rate shows he can still bring it and be dominating at times.

This is obviously something that will have to monitored in the upcoming weeks, but if he looks good, I think the minimum bid needs to be around $10.
Keith Cromer Slyke
Feb 13 '08
Roger Clemens Boston Red Sox
donbru, you're making the false corollary that if A equals A, then B equals B. The fact that Andy Pettitte is agreeing with Brian McNamee and is therefore telling the truth about Andy Pettitte does not automatically mean that McNamee is telling the truth about Roger Clemens.

Megary, I agree that it would be insane to lie to a District Attorney's office about a matter this serious. But is it any more insane than withholding evidence from that same District Attorney's office that would have completely vindicated you and made Roger Clemens guilty?
Mike Gianella MikeG
Feb 13 '08
Todd Helton Colorado Rockies
The $40 days are long gone, but as long as he continues to put up 15-17 HR's, 80-90 RBI's and .300 BA, he will always have a spot on my roster at these prices. I still think has has few of these type seasons left in the tank.

Keith Cromer Slyke
Feb 13 '08
Livan Hernandez Atlanta Braves
I'd rather keep $5M and roll the dice with the young guys. I guess they haven't learned from the Ponson and Ramon Ortiz signings last year. Once they were cut the team improved.

And, how about the Tony Batista and Juan Castro debacle the year before. Once the younger players were installed at 3B and SS the team took off.

When a team repeats the same mistake over and over, it makes you wonder.
Eugene Freedman EugeneFreed
Feb 13 '08
Roger Clemens Boston Red Sox
It's amazing to think Clemens and Bonds will likely both be on the ballot in the same year, and neither one of them will get into the HoF.

I still think the man laughing over all of this is Cal Ripken. Segui doesn't join the Orioles until the year Ripken retired and Grimsley a few years after that, so they're clearly not the link, so I got nothing even the way of hearsay. I'm just saying...
Jurgen Maas Jurgen
Feb 13 '08
Ubaldo Jimenez Baltimore Orioles
My advice is, take a ride on the Rockies. They're going to be great.
Alex Patton Alex
Feb 13 '08
Dan Ortmeier San Francisco Giants
I've just put in my bid. Showing how easily swayed I am.
Alex Patton Alex
Feb 13 '08
Scott Rolen Cincinnati Reds
Mike and Toz -- tell 'em to come over here and defend themselves!
Alex Patton Alex
Feb 13 '08
Livan Hernandez Atlanta Braves
That is sickening. Don't pay Johan, and do pay 5 million for 250 gut-wrenching innings? In the AL, 5.5 ERA, won't go in the crapshoot. No bid.
John Brand JohnB
Feb 13 '08
Roger Clemens Boston Red Sox
Who knows, it could be part of the original deal was McNamee said he could give them Clemens, and one of the investigators might have liked that idea, and said, okay, immunity if you can give us someone of that stature. Maybe the investigator was from the New England area...see how twisted it can get minus the jury trial where everyone gets their say?
John Brand JohnB
Feb 13 '08

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