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The last twenty comments in true blog fasion, with the links to their authors and the player commented upon.

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Wally Moon Los Angeles Dodgers
That's interesting. The pitchers were gaining the upper hand without any PET (performance-enhancing trickery)?

I would say the biggest PET came after 1919, when owners decide a little juice in the ball would help their bank accounts. And they were right.

Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07
Yes, it is SLG that I'm showing below.

I can't find any reference to a raising of the mound in 1963. In 1950 a rule was adopted that no mound could be more than 15 inches.

In 1969 that was reduced to 10 inches.


Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 20 '07
For Buck the glass was nearly full in the first half (14 HR, .559 SLG), almost empty in the second (4 HR. .303 SLG). Not surprisingly, he hit mostly flies in the first half, mostly grounders in the second.

Comment in the Baseball Forecaster (which gives G/L/F info and first-half/second-half splits): "Bitter taste of his second half could create draft-day bargain."

As Bill Clinton might say, Define bargain. I doubt I'll go to my bid limit.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07
Joba Chamberlain Cleveland Indians
In my mind the way to do it is to allow each user a chance to upgrade or downgrade a projection (or a price) by one unit per day. So if the bid starts at $12 and someone thinks it should be $8, they would have to reduce it by a buck for four consecutive days.

That's if no one else agreed and also dropped it a buck. If consensus was that a price was too high, or low, the community could move it quickly. No individual could.

As for the User Bids, there wouldn't be a problem writing a formula that excluded the outliers, high or low, to exclude such silliness. I'm surprised Metacritic doesn't do something like this. I'm also surprised anyone thinks Jury Duty doesn't deserve a 10!
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 20 '07
Freddy Garcia Atlanta Braves
A few of the AP bids have been entered as I write comments, but most have been run in all at once from my spreadsheet as we were setting up the database. And now, as I thumb through my recently-received copy of Ron Shanlder's Baseball Forecaster, I read...

Skills holding up well before labrum surgery... Expect him to pull a Pedro, returning in time for a September surge.

Not enough to move my bid up, but just might make me think of him in the end game.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07
Curt Schilling Boston Red Sox
MLB.com just reported on what Schilling wrote on his blog, 38pitches.com. I guess they didn't have to, but Schilling is such a powerful personality and what he says here is so strong (either sue to clear your name or fess up you did it, there is no middle ground) that they couldn't really ignore it and claim they were covering the game of baseball.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 20 '07
How Not To Endear Yourself To Your Fellow Workers Department

From MLB.com 12/19:

... While Schilling has long criticized Canseco, he conceded that the former slugger likely had many accurate points in his book on rampant steroid use in baseball. Otherwise, why wouldn't many of the players named in the book have taken action against Canseco? Schilling also credits Canseco with forcing the steroid issue to be dealt with.

"So regardless of what you might think about him he has broken the flood gates on a topic that went unspoken on for far too long," said Schilling. "The view I have on that is maybe a bit too simplistic but I look at it like this. If Jose had named me in his book, it would have taken about 20 minutes for me to issue a press release vehemently denying the allegations, which would have been as closely followed as possible by as large a legal action as I could have possibly taken to sue for slander, libel, defamation of character and anything else I'd have been able to legally do.

"It's either that, or I'm guilty. There is no gray area here, you either did, or you didn't and Jose, up through today, hasn't called out anyone that's sued [him] ... for false representation, slander, libel or whatever you would do if someone said something like this about you, that you didn't do."


I'm not surprised that Schilling said this, but I'm a little surprised that MLB.com ran it.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07
Whitey Ford New York Yankees
NOW you can see the guy I hated! And why.

Though I think the career ERA formula may be a little awry, Colin.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07
This week's Baseball Prospectus radio with Jim Bouton was interesting -- less for his proposal for annual blood testing and a "one strike and you're out" policy, more for his observation that he proposed it in order to protect competitive players from themselves. He reiterated what he said in Ball Four -- if he had a pill that would give him 20 wins in exchange for five years off his life, he would have done it in a minute, and thinks most other players would too. Maybe more so now, given the salaries, but it's important to recognize that on one level it's as much about the competition as it is about the money.
mike fenger mike
Dec 20 '07
Whitey Ford New York Yankees
I can't really think of why a serious Roto player would want to look up a pitcher's hitting stats or vice versa. I do remember one savvy owner moving Matt Franco from 3B to P years ago to waive a bad pitcher because he was out of FAAB (and, indeed, Franco had pitched in one of those 16-2 drubbings where the bullpen was hiding under the bleachers). But I'm sure this guy didn't care about Franco's pitching prowess.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 20 '07
Mark McGwire San Diego Padres
In 1987, in the end game, I was so keen to buy Rob Nelson that I bid $6 when $5 was my maximum bid. Had to settle for the righty member of the platoon.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 20 '07
Joba Chamberlain Cleveland Indians
Sorry I didn't chime in sooner.

Even where polls work best (such as at Sickels' blog minorleaguball.com), they're obviously flawed. And, you're both right. Some jerk could come in and put in a $99 bid for Joba and mess up the average. You see this at Metacritic, where someone gives the Paul Shore vehicle "Jury Duty" a 10 because they think the over all average for the movie is too low.

Like Peter, I'm just spitballing here. I do think that we've entered an age where users are looking for a more interactive product.
Mike Gianella MikeG
Dec 20 '07
Article in this Sunday Times' Week in Review has an interesting observation. We don't mind, in fact enjoy -- or at least are amused by -- cheating "between the lines." Spitballs, emery boards, corked bats and so forth.

The whole thing is, very simply, a health issue. Remember those White Sox scrubs who faked their pee tests? They were saying, Please don't allow us to take this stuff because who knows how bad it's going to mess us up?

Owners could have cared less about that. Donald Fehr could have cared less. Players who doped cared -- but what the hell, you only play once.

Alex Patton Alex
Dec 19 '07
Tim Lincecum Texas Rangers
No. 11 on Baseball America's Top 100 Prospects list for 2007, no. 10 on John Sickels'.

Another win for Sickels.

Well, all right, a tie. So let's go to the video tapes.

BA: "Size doesn't matter. His fastball-curveball combo prompts comparisons to Bob Feller and Sandy Koufax."

JS: "University of Washington ace made a rapid adjustment to pro ball. Combines superb stuff with an unorthodox delivery to confuse hitters."

I still give the nod to Sickels. Among other things, for both Koufax and Feller, size mattered a lot (Koufax wasn't huge but his strength was legendary). Ron Guidry would have been a better comparison.

Alex Patton Alex
Dec 19 '07
Wally Moon Los Angeles Dodgers
As I said somewhere else, I am merrily throwing my two cents in on this historically stuff without the benefit of Total Baseball at my side. Have to confess that I totally forgot the NL expansion took place the year after Maris hit 61 home runs.

Anyway, an understatement to say these numbers are surprising. With Maris, Cash and Gentile alone, you'd think the AL SA (which is what you are showing, right?) would have dropped more than 12 points in 1962. And the NL only went up one point?

The big drop in both leagues in 1963 is explained, if memory serves, by the raising of the pitcher's mound.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 19 '07
Ryan Braun Milwaukee Brewers
Baseball America had him ranked no. 26 on its list of Top 100 Prospects. John Sickels list had him no. 11.

Chalk one up for Sickels.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 19 '07
Joba Chamberlain Cleveland Indians
I just put Joba, like Fausto, on my Watch List. Added my very own User Bid. Which you can't see, Peter, for obvious reasons.

This might be a very popular feature for readers. We'll see.

Next year, we may or may not be able to show the Average User Bid. If we can, we may or may not want to. (Drawback to showing it being, readers may put in completely bogus user bids to create bogus averages.)
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 19 '07
Wally Moon Los Angeles Dodgers
No power spike, just the same old guy he was the two years before, but with .030 extra points of BA. I hadn't looked at league differences, but they are surprising:

NL AL
1960 .388 .388
1961 .405 .395
1962 .393 .394
1963 .365 .380

The AL expanded in 1961, the NL in 1962. I don't know how they handled the expansion drafts, but it bears looking into.
Peter Kreutzer Rotoman
Dec 19 '07
Whitey Ford New York Yankees
I entered P-900, thinking that might bring up Whitey's pitching stats. Maybe, in addition to a check for hitter, there should be a check for pitcher. One of those either/or deals.
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 19 '07
Wally Moon Los Angeles Dodgers
Naturally, after reading your Jim Gentile comment, Peter, I called up Wally Moon.

Kind of surprising, isn't it?
Alex Patton Alex
Dec 19 '07

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